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mean to step on you. it a huge component. zoe said a couple little things, they're playing it cupkind of c because they will have a hearing next week but i expect in fact, they've got some real combustible stuff that is going to break big when they do it and she's being kind of coy about it. so i think you can expect some fairly big bombshells. >> well, let's bring you in here, ron. you're not meant to be coy. i know you're not. you're a straight shooter. cipollone defended trump in the first impeachment hearing. he's no never trumper by any stretch of the imagination. the fact he's ...

He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> this happened on january 6th, harry, as the riot was underway. if cipollone verified that, you can check off the list in terms of whatever sort of non-criminal prosecution elements you have for these congressional related discussions about him refusing to stop the riot, even as people are telling him the vice president of the united states, the person who is the number two person in the line of succession, that this is the person they're building gallows for. i mean, what are the legal implications, one, that this was stated and hutchinson may ...