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He directed deals and phone calls and meetings with his self described fixer michael cohen and others. i'm joined by jim rootenberg and mimi rocca, former assistant u.s. district attorney and msnbc contributor. let me ask you this, jim, about the relationship with trump and ami. what is the deal all these years? >> well, the deal was in august of 2015, david pecker, michael cohen and mr. trump, we had heard this happened in trump tower, cooked up a deal that basically went like this. pecker said to trump, you're running for president and we're here to help. if anything erupts in terms of women...

Why all of the lying? what do you suppose is at the bottom of the investigation or the focus of the investigation into why would there be so much lying? >> well, it's a good question. i think fundamentally donald trump when he was candidate and perhaps even as president, what matters to him most is money and that the trump tower moscow project according to prosecutor documents filed yesterday, he stood to make a lot of money if that project went through, and he was not about to do anything that would interfere with the success of that project. at the same time, he is running for president, and...