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Blackburn. known to be very good with a knife. no, you want to dispel this notion, i am sure. tell us why you don't believe there's any knife fight going on within the transition. >> well, because there is not. and chris, i think it's so important to realize this new transition team and new prosp t prospective administration has been in place now for not even a week. we're one week past the election. they're in the process of everything standing up, and there are going to be wonderful, robust conversations about the type of people and the type of skill sets needed at different departments in o...

That could be brought to bear if state and local governments are receptive. i'm not naive about the prosp t prospects of some grand new federal program. i'm not sure that's what we're talking about here. i haven't seen that be particularly productive, when politicians try to organize conversations. >> the table with me are melissa harris ferry, james peterson and joy reid. joy, i thought this was a really striking thematic in this speech because he, like, ticked through everything he could possibly do here. he talked about law enforcement, said that's really state and local. he talked about la...