And that of cohen's lawyers. you know, all i can think of, frankly, is that, you know, maybe this relates to the fact that the president saw slippage on the hill in terms of support, on the republican side for this "protect mueller" legislation. he seems to be pushing michael cohen away. i'm not sure why, but i just couldn't help but get that feeling. >> ken, even his -- the government used the interview in their filings today. saying, i know that president trump reportedly said on cable television this morning that cohen performs a tiny, tiny fraction of his overall legal work. these statemen...