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The lying, but it comes out. when you are president, and -- >> well, now. in your opinion, what made donald trump run for the presidency or what do you think that motivated him? >> well sh, i don't believe thae intended to win. >> and everybody says that, but he seems like the guy that does not want to lose. >> well, i nknow that he did no want the lose, but there is a difference of not wanting to lose and wanting to be the president. i will say that he wanted to win, but i don't believe that he really wanted to be the president. there is a woman named stephanie sedyelsky who wrote a publicati...

Presidential historian who teaches history at nyu. tim, let me start with you. the most obvious analogy that people bring up is barry goldwater running an outsider campaign and in a sense the campaign that rejected much of the republican party. is that what the great historical analogy is? >> we had a number of instances in american history where one would describe as a protest candidacy or an insurgency has taken over a political party. 1896, william jennings bryan. 1964, barry goldwater. 1972, george mcgovern. and 1980, ronald reagan. in all of those cases, the leader of the insurgency has s...

>> we had a number of instances in american history where one would describe as a protest candidacy or an insurgency has taken over a political party. 1896, william jennings bryan. 1964, barry goldwater. 1972, george mcgovern. and 1980, ronald reagan. in all of those cases, the leader of the insurgentacy has some washington experience or some governmental experience. ronald reagan hadn't been to washington, but he had run the biggest state in the country. this is thefirst time you have a protest movement whose beneficiary is a man without any governing or public administration experience at al...

Bureau chief for politico, one of two reporters who broke the news john chaffetz was planning to run for speaker. is this essentially a protest candidacy or are things coming unbound enough so you can see a path for chaffetz or someone other than mccarthy to win this vote? >> i don't think chaffetz will be speaker. i don't think there's enough support for him to do that, but it's hard to tell at this point. i do think it shows the unsettled nature of what's going on within the house republican congress. 246 members. they are just operating on rumor and innuendo and everybody's watching each ot...