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Problem? >> absolutely. this is a mind versus heart dilemma that candidate -- that democrats are having, the way one strategist put it to me. sanders is seen as the long-standing, consistent progressive, who has been saying these things, talking about income inequality and climate change a long time. clinton is seen as a mix of pragmatic and political considerations. but at the end of the day, democrats overwhelmingly see her as likeliest to win as the best person to carry their torch to a general election, which they real size probably not going to be easy to win, give the fact that democrats...

After glancing way. but to throw away the issue used by hillary clinton by others, certainly not by to people to her left but by others struck me as an odd sort of jumping over the tennis net saying i'm going to make sure you win this game. it didn't seem like the action of a competitor, but a protester who would rather win on the issues. >> i don't think that bernie sanders thinks of himself as a protest candidate. but i do think what he did there was very different from what we see a lot of in politics. and bernie sanders has said again and again he doesn't like that. he doesn't like the per...

It didn't seem like the action of a competitor, but a protester who would rather win on the issues. >> i don't think that bernie sanders thinks of himself as a protest candidate. but i do think what he did there was very different from what we see a lot of in politics. and bernie sanders has said again and again he doesn't like that. he doesn't like the personal back and forth and it has been a signal from the start of his campaign that he was not going to do it. my sense is there was a certain wisdom in it. because the fact of the matter is had he gone on a major attack and made it central to...

There that really had greater risk for hillary clinton than for bernie sanders and so it's a much clearer race now. it's hillary versus bernie and the voters who have already made some pretty stark choices between the two now have a very clear path between now and the iowa caucus as to which candidate and which part of the party they want to support. >> do you think that bernie sanders is running for the nomination or as a protest candidate? i know i'm going back to this and sound so old school. when he jumped over the net the other night and said we are taking the e-mails off the table that h...

One part still bothers me when bernie sanders said get off of this e-mail thing. i thought okay that's grand and nice. if you are out there busting your hump for this guy and you are trying to get him to win the election you take any break wrou can get. you don't just run on ideology. here he was. seth myers said hillary was laughing not because it was a funny thing. it wasn't funny. he was giving her an issue that somebody could have used against her. is he running for president or is he a protest candidate? he just wants to get his message out. why is he running against her? >> he certainly ...