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That's his world. that's what he's been immersed in. the things he wrote in that thesis, stand on their own for what he presumably believes in as an adult. and as a matter of law, it seems absurd to me that the religious beliefs of someone should have anything to do with whether their right to vote is reinstated. but clearly, this is where he comes from. i don't think this is anything other than who bob mcdonnell really is. and that's troubling. >> chris hayes, washington editor of the nation. thanks very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. the news we are reporting ton...

Encounter very severe turbulence on the way up. joining us now is chris hayes, washington editor of "the nation" magazine. good to see you. >> good to see you too, rachel. >> we've had governor mcdonnell on the issue of this pseudoliteracy test for voting, and now apparently we've had climbdowns from him on all three issues. i feel that's a recipe for alienating everyone who is not in your base and then alienating your base too. what do you think? >> well, it's interesting -- i definitely agree on the first part of that. you wonder -- it's a question of whether the language, the climbdowns are...

Nation" magazine. good to see you. >> good to see you too, rachel. >> we've had governor mcdonnell on the issue of this pseudoliteracy test for voting, and now apparently we've had climbdowns from him on all three issues. i feel that's a recipe for alienating everyone who is not in your base and then alienating your base too. what do you think? >> well, it's interesting -- i definitely agree on the first part of that. you wonder -- it's a question of whether the language, the climbdowns are halfhearted enough that even the base understands he doesn't mean them. what's remarkable about this iss...

Proposal for a pseudoliteracy test for the restoration of voting rights in virginia. all right. coming up, right wing news from the great state of oklahoma that might even be too right wing for oklahoma. plus, on the interview tonight, one of the only guests we've ever had on this show for whom we regularly get fan mail. she's elizabeth warren, overseeing the t.a.r.p. bailout funds for congress. please do stay with us. national car rental? that's my choice.