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That seems to be because "the times" policy in the words of the public editor is to use the names and gender pronounce preferred by the person unless a former name is news newsworthy and pertinent. >> it is really weird to have a style book conversation. i mean you have these conversations all the time in journalism. how dowry fer to -- it is -- how do you refer to -- it is to greg's point and there is a more interesting story here. >> on thursday npr decided, and they made a conscious decision to use male pronouns foremanning. npr said their thinking has evolved and will now honor manning's p...

That seems to be because "the times" policy in the words of the public editor is to use the names and gender pronounce preferred by the person unless a former name is news newsworthy and pertinent. >> it is really weird to have a style book conversation. i mean you have these conversations all the time in journalism. how dowry fer to -- it is -- how do you refer to -- it is to greg's point and there is a more interesting story here. >> on thursday npr decided, and they made a conscious decision to use male pronouns foremanning. npr said their thinking has evolved and will now honor manning's p...

A new survey finds most americans don't. at "the new york times" it's the job of public editor margaret sullivan to hold reporters accountable, and boy, has she been outspoken. we'll talk with her about what the paper of record is doing wrong and right. and perhaps you've seen this gripping news report from president obama's vacation in martha's vineyard this week. >> after arriving here in martha's vineyard, there was a bit more visibility of something else. the president's golf game. >> but as the first day of the agenda, do you go to the black dog, do you go to oak bluffs, what do you do?...

As she marks one year on the job. margaret sullivan, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks, joanne. great to be here. >> so let's dive right in. the loudest criticism that we often hear about "the new york times," i don't know if it's the most frequent but certainly the loudest is that it has a liberal bias. does it? >> well, some of my predecessors have taken that head-on. in fact dan, the first public editor, once wrote a column and i think the headline said something like "is the times a liberal newspaper" and his answer in the lead was, of course it is. and he went on from there. and...

1975. >> yeah. >> and i think there was some feeling at the time that it was just too raw and that, you know, there was some sense if you didn't want to see it -- >> there may have been some rights issues there. >> there were definitely rights issues. that's a whole other story. but is there something to be said for -- >> look, you -- as we just heard, you can fake what looks to be an eyewitness thing. the orson welles "war of the worlds" thing in the '30s on the radio was taken as news by hundreds of thousands of people that the martians were invading. >> thank god that didn't happen. we've g...