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Their representative. so again, it's a communications problem, a public relations problem for this administration, the drip, drip, drip of russia stories. could they just disclose who was in the meetings. and again they could be innocent of collusion but by not disclosing these things, the story continues and continues. >> interesting. so phil let's see, in that room we have a russian lawyer who may have tied to the kremlin. though she denies it. a russian/american lobbyist who is accused of hacking a company an one person accused of money laundering though that was dropped too all in the same...

And every person at the state department, every year you have to get a briefing, just like you have briefings here at corporate briefings briefings, in the government you have an ethics briefing. part of that is the presidential records act which changed in 2009. so she was out of compliance with the law. now, some democrats are mad about the whole issue. they think it's indefensible. i called her earlier the secretary of indefensible. other democrats are mad because the clinton administration knew this was coming. or the clinton camp knew this was coming. but they did not have an ability to d...

Potential death penalty case may have fatally weakened the court-martial proceedings that were appropriate. >> why would it weaken it? >> ultimate influence in chain of command. if they go to a general court-martial and get some sergeant majors having heard the secretary of defense say it's a potential death penalty case, it was a huge misjudgment. i think what we're going to see down the line that's going to be a public relations problem. this guy probably is not competent to stand trial. this wasn't a wartime a atrocity, this was a serial murder from a psychiatrist at face value. >> the atto...

Destruction, you're always going to have a problem at the very least, a public relations problem. jane: what more do we know about the internal debate within the agency? >> well, i've just started to go through the documents and what i would caution people is that these aren't all of the documents related to the videotape. this is like a snapshot or a picture, so it's hard to always get a good feel for the context of these e-mails and how they were written, but there was a cable written very early on which seems to highlight the concern within the agency that if this videotape were made public...

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