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Connected, we'll see how closely, to the money trail, about an organization so closely entwined with the trump campaign that one would almost want to give michael cohen a masthead, editorship. >> what's fascinating here is that pecker and ami in some ways have an ironclad thing to say, in both the case of mcdougal and this. >> well -- >> right? they can just say, like, it didn't work out. we didn't publish it. >> and you know what? that could well be -- >> i'm not saying -- i'm not impugning it, i'm just saying, they can say that. >> that's exactly right. and in fact, that's what they said to ...

Perfected, the publication doesn't make a habit of paying out that kind of money and not pursuing it in some regard. or if they do, there's a purpose behind it, which is another sort of long-known industry trick, trade called catch and kill. >> and that's the thing here. you start getting a pattern and there are individual denials become less plausible. >> and also, that's why, even if we all say, okay, well, maybe it wasn't true, they didn't publish it. but that's why the process of how they got to that point is important. and that's what the prosecutors are trying to do now. they're trying t...

Is that the president not only denies that but denies various allegations of sexual assault against them in a kind of uninterrupted string. the woman who says donald trump groped her on an airplane, he denies that. he denies ever trying to pay a women to bring her up to his hotel room. there's a kind of sore spot there that is striking to me. >> right. there was a lot of grievance that goes into it and there's a lot of feeding into the narrative of trump as a master serial nar sissist. and the fact that he was felt aggrieved and very intensely focused on all these personal items you were talki...

Brought up, what i found interesting in comey's account is that the president not only denies that but denies various allegations of sexual assault against them in a kind of uninterrupted string. the woman who says donald trump groped her on an airplane, he denies that. he denies ever trying to pay a women to bring her up to his hotel room. there's a kind of sore spot there that is striking to me. >> right. there was a lot of grievance that goes into it and there's a lot of feeding into the narrative of trump as a master serial nar sissist. and the fact that he was felt aggrieved and very inte...