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Kind of gave them the win by legitimizing their stance. so it's really interesting how different people are responding to this debate. >> jacqueline, did -- >> a lot of people were -- >> did anybody say, hey, can't we have both? >> a lot of people said, hey, can't we have both. and that was really surprising. on social media, there were a lot of people that were asking, well, why can't we -- why does religion and science always have to be at odds, and there were even a lot of pastors and people who did say, hey, i'm christian and ken ham doesn't speak for me, you know, i do have a different st...