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Just been delayed by so many months and maybe even years. and i'm just wondering, is it now that everything and anything is dead because politically these two issues, immigration reform and humanitarian crisis in the border have been interlinked? >> jose, look, i am an optimist by nature, but i really do think that given the congressional makeup right now where we have republicans in the majority in the house, it is going to be a tall order to see our asylum and refugee system overhauled. i hope that there will be tweaks at the margins, but i just don't see an appetite for this because the foc...

How do you have a policy, an immigration policy, that deals with that without cowing down to and entering into an agreement with the regimes that cause so much suffering and pain? >> we need a long-term strategy that addresses the push-factors some people are experiencing. we should have operational control of the pull factors? >> what does that mean? >> we have proven time and time again we have handle reasonable and absorb asylum seekers. i think right now unfortunately the administration seems to be solving the wrong x, and they want to show numbers are low without fully acknowledging that ...

Currently seeing, at least a large proportion of that. keir starmer and rishi sunak opening at pmqs this afternoon by expressing their sympathies with regards to this tragedy. rishi sunak calling it a tragic loss. sir keir starmer saying it was heartbreaking for —— we then got a statement from the home secretary, suella braverman, and she was also exposing sympathy from across the house a lot of tributes paid to the emergency services, but it was inevitable, there was a lot of talk about policy after that because as i mentioned, the government has made it clear it is one of its priorities,...

Ultimately, even if they were given the green light to stay, it would be in rwanda, not in the uk. uk government believes these are various pull factors and removing that would mean people would not want to make the journey across the channel in the first place. plenty of mps say this is the wrong way round. in order to get people to not make those dangerous crossings, you have to offer safe and legal roots, essentially ways for people to apply for asylum without having to get to the uk first expanding schemes like we have seen four people in ukraine and hong kong and syria. mi; and hong kong ...

Across the bored or does not comport with reality. >> martha: let's talk about title 42 for the last minute that we have together.i think people that watch what is happening and they see everyone crossing, they say how can you say that title 42 is in place when all of these people pour across. only a quarter are turned back for title 42 at this point. here's the reason why. nicaraguans and cubans are not subject to title 42, which means you can keep people out because of pandemic and covid environment. because their countries won't take them back. neither will mexico. how does that make any se...