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There's just -- and have the political winds blow. so it's not about you, it's a lot harder when the choice is not just between joe biden and donald trump. so as we are right now, not great. >> you make an interesting point about biden being the focus. about the attention on him. that can work to his favor to. do you think he wasted that pull pulpit in 2021? at the start of the new year he gave a pretty -- or jay, or mlk, or john lewis. why didn't you do that earlier? where was the joe biden taken the fight to republicans on voter suppression? where was he in 2021? do you think he wasted too m...

Is a constitutional right, what will you say to gays who are good catholics, attend church every week, who say, who believe that god made them that way and who want to commit to a partner? >> we are always welcoming of everyone. the catholic church welcomes everyone. but the catholic church also reminds all of us there is a moral law. they are the commandments of god and we have to do our best to live by them. we announce that from the pull pulpit and try to meet people where they are and walk with them in life's journey. the church is probably with 20 centuries of experience probably the most...