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Score perfect because so few passed, the marines will let them choose to hang on the bar for 15 seconds and pass without doing any pull ups. >> wide grip works best for you. >> reporter: they admit pull ups are better than the flexed arm hang elicits little muscle strength for military tasks such as pulling yourself over obstacles and other equipment. she is a former marine corps officer who commanded troops in afghanistan. >> could you do three pull ups? >> at one point, i could do fife. the first one took the longest to get to. >> reporter: women have to learn how to do a pull up. >> experim...

If the government wants to leave the sisters alone, they can do it. the problem is the government said, sister, you need to sign the form and be part of it. if you won't do it, we'll crush that beautiful ministry with with fines. that's no way for a free government to run. >> we'll see how the case plays out at the u.s. supreme court. thanks for being here. >> thank you, megyn. >> we are getting reports roughly half of the new female marines have been unable the to complete part of the basic fitness test at the end of boot camp. they need to do three pull-ups. more than half are not able. shou...

If they think this is the best choice, i just appreciate they're moving in the right direction. >> allow me to play devil's advocate. women are fighting to meet the same standards as men, and now the standards are changing, one could say lowering, as the number differential exists between women and men. is that counter intuitive. if you want women to be treated equally, should they be required to fit the same number? >> i think that there are a couple of different points here. first of all, we want to make sure that everyone is fit enough to do the job before them. right? so the marine corps i...

Means for the women. if you look at the marines upper body fitness test for women, they have to do a minimum of three pull-ups. if they do eight, they get a perfect score. but because not enough passed, they'll have the option of the flexed arm ang. they have to do that for a minimum of 15 seconds, but can get a perfect rating with 70 seconds. compare that with male marines. they also have a minimum of three pull-ups, but they need 20 for a perfect rating, and there is no flex-arm hang test for males. they have to do the pull-ups. even the marines admit that flexed-arm ang, it doesn't build th...

Suit decrying the fact she said her gender limited her military career. she's zoey bidell, a lieutenant in the marine corps, and she now serves in the reserves. she joins me from our washington bureau. can you hear me? >> i can hear you now, thank you. >> excellent. we saw the video of the pull-ups. women required to do at least three. do you think you could do that? >> i know if i was training for it, and this was a requirement, absolutely. i have done it in the past. >> okay, so if you were training for it, you could do it. the number i cited, 55%, 55% of women marines cannot do it. so givin...