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Hill. kelly, i think people who have been paying attention know where each side stands. the question we all can't see if there are any talks happening behind the scenes that seem to be moving forward and everything i've heard from your reporting today, that's not the case. >> not in a formal sense. there are certainly pockets of lawmakers who are looking for an end game while acknowledging one is not evident right now. part of what makes it so difficult if they were to begin negotiations and both sides could agree to that, they would be able to see chess moves down the line. until that point, ...