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Lead in income, north carolina, got that lead for now. but one point for hillary clinton could shift her back in that column. >> how do you account for people voting for gary johnson or jill stein? >> we're not including them in this. >> they don't ordinarily vote republican as an alternative route to get around pennsylvania where maybe he's given up. i can't tell. >> i don't think they gave it up in pennsylvania. they're going to be here and they're pumping ads on tv, but i think pennsylvania is a tough stretch for them, but it's not, by any means, out of the question. if our people think pen...

>> how do you account for people voting for gary johnson or jill stein? >> we're not including them in this. >> they don't ordinarily vote republican as an alternative route to get around pennsylvania where maybe he's given up. i can't tell. >> i don't think they gave it up in pennsylvania. they're going to be here and they're pumping ads on tv, but i think pennsylvania is a tough stretch for them, but it's not, by any means, out of the question. if our people think pennsylvania is a lock and don't vote, that's what i mean by turnout. they can win. but if our people vote, we will win pennsylva...