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Taken by the chair of this committee who may in every other course of business he does be tremendously effective. in this area, can he be picking anything up? can anybody be reconstituted in a way that anyone can have trust in? >> a good question, you know, his behavior and conduct is so different from what i have seen over the last two years. it's a very different devin nunes, so i can't gin to tell you how much i think the white house is behind all this. i really think they want to shut down this investigation in the house. >> do you think they're calling the shots? >> i do. i absolutely do....

Down this investigation in the house. >> do you think they're calling the shots? >> i do. i absolutely do. >> you think they're reaching out. you think they have direct contact. they are literally telling him what to do and how to protect them? >> i am not saying that. i think they are very engaged in this whole really strange and aber rent behavior. >> aber respect, that is a pun gent setting. jackie spear, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> joining me now, robert costa and matthew miller former director of the office of public affairs justice department. bob, let me start with you. let's ...