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Presidency, particularly someone who sees him as pulling his puppet strings. >> that sort of, oh, you're more famous than me. >> yeah. jar >> jared kushner seems to have survived so far. >> he married into the family. a little harder to get rid of. >> but they're from such different backgrounds. >> they are, but they have a lot of similarities. bannon was a wall street deal guy, he was a hollywood movie maker. he understood how to talk to big shot moguls. if you're a women's studies major at wellesley, steve bannon is not going to be your cup of tea, but if you're a big shot new york developer...

Storming the presidency by joshua green. i spoke to him earlier. so, the narrative that surrounds bannon, i think he's on the cover of time he was called the great manipulator, he's running the show there. how does that jibe with reality? >> bannon had a lot of influence. i don't think he was ever the puppet master that he was portrayed as being. what he really was was trump's ideologue and pit bull. the portrayal enraged trump because eventually it cost bannon a seat on the national security council. he got put in the dog house. didn't get let out until a month ago. >> that was because of t...

Confesses to whatever it is that he's done except for those exceptional things that he wants to hide. and you can play him. it's not, you know, the u.s. congress he has to worry about. it's kim jong-un, it's vladimir putin. vladimir putin has this man on puppet strings, let's be honest. and we all know when this thing, if it doesn't come off as grim faced, not shaking hands, anything shy of that, then everyone in the world is going to assume donald trump is in debt to vladimir putin and vladimir putin is going to play to donald trump's weaknesses, absolutely. and he's going to come away from t...

Because that has become a contemporaneous telling to other people about what's happening. this isn't mapd after the fact after he was fired. he told people then. but would you expand on your sentence you felt like you had to rinse off? >> i was going to ask that. was it james comey that made you want to rinse often or -- >> no, no, the division of a small table in the green room with the president and the fbi director seated there having a quiet luncheon with two navy stewards waiting on them and director comey feeling uncomfortable -- >> this is the loyalty pledge when the president asked for...

That he is mocking a "new york times" reporter who has a physical disability. he now claims that he didn't know that the reporter had a physical disability. but if you watch the video, it's pretty hard -- >> i saw the video. >> do you think that he knew what he was doing? >> appears that way, but you know, he's got to answer for himself. i mean, i think part of the folly of all this is that we're answering for him. he said what he said. now the people who vote will judge him. >> our thanks to jamie for that interview. we can now show you the powerful force that made cars appear to lev at a tim...