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Direction, in a direction that empowers patients and holds down costs. >> mr. secretary, you are quite a distance away from conservatives with this plan and the central part of it, which is tax credits. they see as yet another entitlement, very similar to the entitlement of obamacare but different in form. how do you convince them, since it's going to take tax credits to make this work, that they need to swallow this and move forward with the bill? an awful lot of opposition in the central tenet of this whole thing. >> this is all about patience, and in order to provide that transition and in ...

With the old blue heel model being the template for individuals who aren't economically aligned are able to pool together their resources solely for the purpose of purchasing coverage. >> for about 35 years we have tried high-risk pools. 35 states had them before the affordable care act. frankly, it didn't produce great results. in 20110.2% of people with pre-existing conditions, 0.2%, were actually in a high-risk pool. and the premiums were 150 to 200% higher than standard rates for healthy individuals. and they had lifetime and annual limits on coverage and cost states money. so, that was th...

Obamacare subsidy with a tax credit. conservatives, many in the freedom caucus are saying that's an entitlement by a different name. i asked the secretary of health and human services about that. listen. >> the central part, which is tax credits, is another entitlement very similar to the entitlement of obamacare that is different in form. how do you convince them that it's going to take tax credits to make it work, that they need to swallow this and move forward with the bill? a lot of opposition on this. a central tenant of it. >> we, the conservatives and others have said for a long time we...

Hhs secretary left to defend the tax credit the replaces the obamacare subsidy. >> the central part, which is tax credits, it basically is another entitlement similar to the entitlement of obamacare. how do you convince them since it's going to take tax credits to make it work, that they need to swallow it and will forward? >> conservatives and others have said we believe it's important to equalize the tax treatment for those purchasing coverage, gaining coverage through their employer and those not. the tax credit is the opportunity to be able to equalize that tax treatment. >> the president ...

Hhs secretary left to defend the tax credit the replaces the obamacare subsidy. >> the central part, which is tax credits, it basically is another entitlement similar to the entitlement of obamacare. how do you convince them since it's going to take tax credits to make it work, that they need to swallow it and will forward? >> conservatives and others have said we believe it's important to equalize the tax treatment for those purchasing coverage, gaining coverage through their employer and those not. the tax credit is the opportunity to be able to equalize that tax treatment. >> the president ...