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>> joining us is christopher bellito, history chair and author of "when a pope dies." it's good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> what's interesting, christopher, is that these two popes now, saints maybe embody opposite opposing ends of catholicism. explain that, how the difference between a pope john paul ii and a pope john xxiii and their different views of catholicism. >> sure. i'm going to respectfully disagree with you. >> okay. >> i don't think that john xxiii is a pure liberal and john paul ii is a pure conservative. that goes a certain distance, but the catholic church is neith...

Turned to conservatism since about 1980. it has been a very long time indeed, since any american president has had a successful run governing -- trying to govern as a pure liberal. jimmy carter didn't. bill clinton certainly didn't. barack obama tried it for two years. and it hasn't gone very well it has made it very difficult for the left's ambitions to be fulfilled and i think that they found that it is frustrating and it has made -- it has led to a level of anger that we are now seeing in part. >> bill: what do you think the editors of the "the washington post," they are sitting there in th...

Turned to conservatism since about 1980. it has been a very long time indeed, since any american president has had a successful run governing -- trying to govern as a pure liberal. jimmy carter didn't. bill clinton certainly didn't. barack obama tried it for two years. and it hasn't gone very well it has made it very difficult for the left's ambitions to be fulfilled and i think that they found that it is frustrating and it has made -- it has led to a level of anger that we are now seeing in part. >> bill: what do you think the editors of the "the washington post," they are sitting there in th...

Turned to conservatism since about 1980. it has been a very long time indeed, since any american president has had a successful run governing -- trying to govern as a pure liberal. jimmy carter didn't. bill clinton certainly didn't. barack obama tried it for two years. and it hasn't gone very well it has made it very difficult for the left's ambitions to be fulfilled and i think that they found that it is frustrating and it has made -- it has led to a level of anger that we are now seeing in part. >> bill: what do you think the editors of the "the washington post," they are sitting there in th...