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Sort of ayn randian attacks of paul ryan. >> there's a certain conservative logic to medicare. people on the left like to talk about medicare for all. >> ross douthat wrote about medicaid for all that you don't want the government to become the insurer for everyone but you make it the backstop so that the first line of defense is that you get insurance through work or you acquire it privately but if that doesn't work for you, you can go on medicaid, it's stripped down, relatively inexpensive but it's a safety net for everyone and that's where chris ruddy is pointing. it would make a certain am...

Inexpensive but it's a safety net for everyone and that's where chris ruddy is pointing. it would make a certain amount of sense for a populist like donald trump to land at. >> but let's be clear, completecomplete completely in opposition to the structure of this bill as it is. >> right. >> it's the opposite. this bill is pure ryanism. this bill is everything that mitt romney and paul ryan stood for in 2012, what donald trump's primary opponents stood for and he beat them by not being them. >> it's not everything paul ryan stood for in 2012 because in 2012 mitt romney and paul ryan were insist...