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Torture. but the audience out there, they don't need to pay a lot of attention to see that it's mildly a musing, if you will. we're still early in the construction cycle, these debates will not count for very much except they will whittle down. they complain about how it's handled in states, and it's puzzling to me why they haven't made better use of this. they're getting hour after hour and week after week. they could be endajd in a political harbor. >> the other clay on the day between israel, and the head of the defense industry and dweps

Country is the president. >> back to the panel here, guys. there is a lot of, i think, analysis in terms of why the president is doing what he's doing of late in the last couple of months, and i want to play jay kearney's response, again, on the supercommittee versus the white house stance. is this political calculation on the part of the white house? listen to what kearney said yesterday. >> let's be clear about what the supercommittee is. it's a congressional committee established by an act of congress written by members of congress to include members of congress, not administration official...

This is like a bick electoral problem for him the way he took out rick perry. that to me, with all due respect to dan, i think that has a huge consequence for this election. they are going to navigate in a lot of ways, the to take pure sign. >> it's worth saying, though, process is ongoing. now we're talking about the ride of newt gingrich, and you certainly can't be dismissed for his charge account, philandering, multiple showing as a potentially serious candidate. >> absolutely, don't rule it out. anybody who has covered newt gingrich over the years knows

Battles have waged. he was hurt in the last polls. the standoff seems to be working well for him. but if we look at this in the broader lens of presidential politics, this attraction and this kind of war among legislative branches seems to be worse than it has been in periods of administration. >> there's no question. historically, and i've tried to do some research on this, you would have to go back to the arguments about slavery in the middle of the 19th century. define a congress that is this split and this do-nothing. not in the 1920s, not since then. the situation is very clear to the pre...

With powers and that kind of stuff. maggie has a good point, which it would be great in theory if the president were able to act in strong leadership and corral the congress. what has been proven during the obama administration is when he tries to do that, he has failed on almost every occasion. it has hurt his standing for almost three years. so the real issue is, even if he weighs in, it's not as though he has a lot of ways to move him. so given the alternatives and looking, in fact, at the exercise in futility, for him to lay back and let them do their jobs and for him to criticize what he ...