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A candy bar when he was 16 years old. at that point, then, the government will as whether they believe, a., he's been truthful with them and, b., provide substantial assistance, basically means he can help them with this or any other cases. so it's a long process, and what michael cohen may be thinking about is not so much what the charges are that he's facing right now, but what other skeletons of his own does he have in the closet had we woulde to plead guilty to. that's required in cooperation. pure speculation, but if he has a lot of other criminal conduct he thinks to himself, it's not wo...

They're not ruling out a presidential pardon. >> the president open to a pardon for michael cohen? >> ah, i don't think that we're going to talk about hypotheticals that don't exist right now. >> reporter: when pressed later -- >> it's hard to close a door on something that hasn't taken place. >> and so let's get to kyra phillips, with us from washington tonight. and kyra, of course, a lot of speculation over what michael cohen might or might not do, as this investigation intensifies. >> reporter: david, tonight, a source close to cohen telling abc news michael cohen will never flip, calling i...

Has information and evidence that he can and will use against donald trump if he needs to. >> last word to you, carrie, on roger story and why donald trump might have something to be afraid of with him. >> i think that's all pure speculation, and the fact that the prime minister of japan was visiting the united states to talk about substantive foreign policy and that's been drowned out by the sea of speculation, rumors, innuendo, it's a sad state of american media, it's a sad commentary on the fact that the american people have had to deal with this, have had to put up with the national media,...

According to our own john roberts today, sources familiar with the matter saying that president trump is definitely not going to fire mueller and that and all this rhetoric from democrats, it's based on pure speculation. joining us now with reaction we have got radio host steve leavy, fox news contributors, doug schoen and deneen borelli. we have all-star group to do. this first let me go to deneen first. happy anniversary. >> thank you very much. >> david: very happy time for you and your husband. >> thank you. >> david: by the way the pardon not happening was the news. we pardon michael flyn...

Narrative that president trump might fire special counsel mueller. according to john roberts today, saying that president trump is definitely not going to fire mueller and that and all this rhetoric from democrats is based on pure speculation. joining us now with reaction, radio host steve levy, fox news contributor doug chone and danini baa welly. -- barelli. by the way, the pardon not happening was the news. would he pardon michael flynn but why are they driving this narrative sarah sanders has said this is not happening. >> we have gone from fake news to fake firing, david. what part of the...