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The speaking list. both have gotten 2016 buzz. one off the poland springs water bottle gate, the other off the epic filibuster. who has the best chance of taking the straw poll? >> that's what's great about cpac, we're a diverse tent. you have someone like rand paul with libertarian bend and marco rubio, who i would put somewhere more toward the middle. it's such a great celebration of diversity. also on the straw poll, chris christie who was not invited as you mow to cpac. we get it wrong there. trying to shun certain members out of the big tent when we should be celebrated just how diverse a...

>> how do you respond to that? >> well, apologies are nice but apologies without action are meaningless and once again we're seeing an apology but no actions. when men like cardinal mahony cover crimes and then face no consequences, no loss of pay, no loss of their reputation or of their power, then what's the incentive that this behavior will stop? so as long as men -- these men face no consequences, we believe the behavior will continue. the pattern will be repeated. >> barbara, i want to ask you about, who do you feel would be a good leader for the church? what cardinals would s.n.a.p. cons...

To speak. i was invited to speak. i was scheduled to speak and he rattled off a list of great, diverse conservatives. that's important. but i think the purity test is evidenced in issues like go proud. there is a certain third rail that you still can't cross apparently but that is outdated way of seeing the party and it's going to run use in the future if we ever want to win elections again we can't keep doing this. >> and this was your choice. you weren't pressured? >> yeah. i'm glad you brought that up. there's this idea that somehow this network pressured me out of speaking at cpac. not eve...

Are hurting, we're coming out of a deep recession but you have 21 million people who could be offered health care, ta is a very difficult position for them to be in to say no, mostly on ideological grounds. >> right. i think it really depends on not only how many uninsured in their states but how strong the hospital interests are and how far they're willing to go to allow hospitals to be bankrupted because they're still going to have to care for those patients. i suspect states like florida will take the money. >> ezra, you're still with us here. state -- governering at the state level or bein...

Sandy, do you think that hurts or helps him, in tells of both getting a nomination, and then being elected? because that can be two different things. >> i'm a new jersey native. and my stepfather has the same sort of new jersey attitude that chris christie has. i think that attitude, sometimes can be hurtful for chris christie in the case of hurricane sandy, it was really helpful to show he was going to say it like it is. which is, i'm here to help the people in new jersey, rather than play politics. i don't think it cost mitt romney the election at all. i think it's foolish for republicans to...