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Martha: that being said, there are definitely people in that category who don't want to be in that category. >> absolutely. >> like to get a job and hard-working contributors to american society. of course everybody respects that but it raises the question when you look at it, there are some people out there who are, you know, like, gee, i can stay home and make that money and get a paycheck from the government every week or go in and make the same amount of money. why would i want to do that? >> not only that, big issue in the tri-state area, talked about little earlier, there are certain sta...

Language of conservativism that convinces the crowd that he deserves the position he is in right now. do you think it is that important for him? >> i think audience at cpac is like none other. they represent the heart and soul of our movement. they are reflective of the entire population. so that is why for any candidate who is up on that stage they do need to address the issues. people are still very concerned about the economy and about jobs, about social issues but also national policy. martha: congresswoman, you've been watching these two, rick santorum and mitt romney all along on the tra...

Handful. still, i remember back when they were passing this fake stimulus, the $787 billion that they borrowed. saying if we do this unemployment will never get above 8%. now the president saying isn't it wonderful, unemployment is down to just a little over 8% years later. that is not recovery. that is not leadership. that is not what america needs. bill: that will be a point to be made during the election season. ron johnson calls it a national scandal. >> i call it a disgrace. look how people every day have to struggle including people don't have a job, underemployed to balance their budget...

What we call the long-term unemployed, about 40% of people who are unemployed have been out of work for more than 6 months, bill. and i do believe that this ties in with the whole unemployment insurance issue which congress is debating right now, as you know. a lot of republicans, and i believe this to be true, that when you pay people to stay unemployed they are not going to start looking for a job until the unemployment benefits run out. the statistics clear about this. we are giving people now 99 weeks of unemployment insurance checks. bill: jobs getting better? as somebody told me we've go...

Participation rate. that is, bill, how many people who are working age each month are actually working. if you look at that statistic we've seen a steady decline in that over the last two or three years. 64% of the people are working today where as it used to be 66 or 67%. that may not seem like a big difference but that is the difference of about 3 million jobs. bill: that is significant. to your point also the length of unemployment is staggering. this is what we've found. if you've been out of work more than 6 months it was 6.9 million persons. today it's almost double. it's 5.51 million. i...