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Might have been a profound conversation with the vice president. >> we'll be watching to see if that's what bears out. julia, jacob was talking about title xlii, "the new york times" says the white house is considering lifting that rule that had blocked migrants during the pandemic. it's currently blocking migrants during the pandemic. meantime, at least a dozen republican members of congress have sent a letter to secretary becerra saying getting rid of this would be disaster. this does seem to be the push and pull. you have advocates who say it has to be lifted. it's part of why the situation...

Nashville. and tim miller, contributor to the bulwark, former communications director for jeb bush. appreciate you lending your time on holiday monday night. tim, start by playing some of what texas congressman said on this network earlier. >> stopping certain americans from voting, that's how you lose your democracy. we're having a sanitized conversation about this, pretending it's democrats and republicans and usual push and pull. this is not usual. this is not normal. talking about being able to overturn elections because you want to have fraud allegations or stop certain groups explicitly ...

Traditionally encouraged -- through also taking aim for the language in this bill which would make it easier to overturn an election by raising the specter of fraud and lowering the bar for evidence there so democrats read earlier today talked about how this is not business as usual as democrats see it. >> i think our democracy is at a tipping point. we just talked about here is overturning elections and stopping certain americans from voting. that's how you lose your democracy were. having a very sanitized conversation about this pretending that is the kind of thing that the push and pull. th...

The former communications director for jeff bush. good evening and welcome to you both. i really appreciate you lending us some of your time on this holiday monday night. tim, i'm going to start with you by playing some of what texas democratic congressman call and -- said on this network earlier. >> stopping certain americans from voting, that's how you lose your democracy. we're having a very sanitize conversation about this, pretending so to speak as if this is the usual push and pull. this is not usual. this is not normal. talking about being able to overturn elections cause you want to ha...

On holiday monday night. tim, start by playing some of what texas congressman said on this network earlier. >> stopping certain americans from voting, that's how you lose your democracy. we're having a sanitized conversation about this, pretending it's democrats and republicans and usual push and pull. this is not usual. this is not normal. talking about being able to overturn elections because you want to have fraud allegations or stop certain groups explicitly from voting is totally outside the bounds. >> tim, we long ago prohibited normalizing reporting on broadcasts like this one, but my q...