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Mcgahn will be there next year because he's made very clear to people he doesn't know that he's going to last past the midterms, so better to do it now. there were other messages quietly sent -- if you're not going to retire now, best to wait until after 2020. >> right. >> and so, i think that all of that put together, i don't think that there was an effort to push kennedy. i don't even think that would have been well received, but i certainly think there was a message sent to, you know, this is going to be fine if you go ahead with this, and that's part of why you're seeing the white house wa...

The president had used his brother, bobby, to send ideas to the soviet union. to give the soviets a sense of what kennedy might want to agree to or discuss at vienna and the soviets weren't interested. they weren't buying. they wanted to push kennedy. they wanted to see if he would break, because they wanted to change the nature of the relationship in west berlin. so when kennedy goes to khrushchev and meets with him, it's an ambush and turns out very difficult for the president and is somewhat politically humiliating. so 1961 is a tough year for john f. kennedy. >> how did he rise above it? t...