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his gos pel through a book he wrote with his wife, called to train up a child. the pearls wrote it as a blueprint for raising children the way the bible demands. but they say they're not to blame for what the schots did to 7-year-old lydia. they explained it to our gary tuchman. >> i don't use the word hitting. >> what is the word is this. >> spanking. >> there's a difference? >> a little switch is spampging. a wooden spoon or rubber spatula is spanking. >> why not just use your hand instead will all these materials? >> let me show you something. does that hurt? doesn't feel good, bu...

word during a home schooling session. that was her so-called sin. lydia's parents pleaded guilty and were sent to a california prison. they claim they were following the teachings of a man named michael pearl, who is spreading his gos pel through a book he wrote with his wife, called to train up a child. the pearls wrote it as a blueprint for raising children the way the bible demands. but they say they're not to blame for what the schots did to 7-year-old lydia. they explained it to our gary tuchman. >> i don't use the word hitting. >> what is the word is this. >> spanking. >> there...

they claim they were following the teachings of a man named michael pearl, who is spreading his gospel through a book he wrote with his wife. it's called "to train up a child." the pearls wrote it as a blueprint for raising children the way the bible demands. but they say they're not to blame for what the schatz did to 7-year-old lydia. they explained it to our gary tuchman. >> i don't use the word hitting. >> what is the word is this. >> spanking. >> there's a difference? >> absolutely. a hand is hitting. a little switch is spanking. a wooden spoon or rubber spatula is spanking. >> ...

the teachings of a man named michael pearl, who is spreading his gospel through a book he wrote with his wife. it's called "to train up a child." the pearls wrote it as a blueprint for raising children the way the bible demands. but they say they're not to blame for what the schatz did to 7-year-old lydia. they explained it to our gary tuchman. >> i don't use the word hitting. >> what is the word is this. >> spanking. >> there's a difference? >> absolutely. a hand is hitting. a little switch is spanking. a wooden spoon or rubber spatula is spanking. >> why not just use your hand inst...

Man, that looked like a really difficult thing to do. >> i look pretty much good for my age. i'm 44 years old and i look a lot better than some of them youngsters. i know i'm handsome. >> rivas also had an incell workout that would rival most of the men's as well. >> inmates when they're working out, the impression it makes upon me is how disciplined they are. they keep track of every sit-up, every push-up, every squat, every curl, you name it. i noticed one day there was an inmate that was pacing back and forth in their cell and she had playing cards and she would place a card on the table, g...