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The more traditional establishment in the democratic party gravitated towards her as well, so with this -- with impressive fundraising she's put forth, performance in the debate, she has certainly volted to the top 2 or 3 candidates, definitely top 3 and i think she only goes up from here, i'm sure the team wants as many debates as possible to get her in front of the american people. jillian: will that be enough to surpass elizabeth warren, joe biden, even bernie sanders, time will tell, lauren, do you think, though, if it were even today come down to kamala harris and president trump how -- w...

Just conducted an interview where you saw these same talking points being put forth, which is that the democrats are not honest about these actions. at least the president is honest. you know that christopher steele was a foreign adversary providing dirt on the president to democrats in 2016. so why should the republicans punish the president for saying that he might potentially do the same thing? >> yeah, first of all, you're either for it or against it. this is the constant refrain of washington, what aboutism. what about this? on the steele thing, he is british, he wasn't working for a fore...

They're working to do it again. so we have to protect our democracy with what we do. and at the same time, we have to see what happened in all of that. and the question, and that's a good question that you asked, manu. do you get more information by having an inquiry than if you just have investigations? well, i don't have a straight answer on that. but even if you could, you can't do it without going to the courts. and to go to the courts, we have to have the strongest possible case. iron clad. we have won in the courts. and a couple other things that mr. cummings has put forth, masar's, they...

What did we do back in the 1930s? we had a rural wireless -- sorry, we had a rural electrification act which subsidizes the building out of these systems. >> we don't have -- >> but we don't have that now, so a lot of these major companies that make lots of money by providing wireless in cities don't do it in rural areas. >> it's hard to make the business argument for them. which is why they've gone to huawei, because they're so much cheaper. what they're looking for is a subsidy. there have been $700 million put up as a possible subsidy. >> from whom, the government? >> it's part of a bill pu...

Up to the attorney general. that is barr to decide whether mueller testifies. and then barr saying, it's up to mueller to decide whether he testified. i think we need a little more transparency. to the central part of your question, i do think that there is concern, why? this concern certainly for trump in that he, that is mueller, implicates him. how? no collusion. no obstruction. that's the narrative that's been put forth. that's not the narrative that mueller has to talk about. his report addresses the ten specific instances wherein one might say that there was indeed obstruction. that's wh...