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Ran against the republican party he ran against the democrat party. real conservatives are very frustrated with decades of government that is growing out of control. it grows under republicans an grows under democrats and you have a new shock to the system where you have a guy who is not scared of taking on anything and if you look at the picks that he's put forward, he's actually willing to go in there to make radical changes, a lot of conservatives will be very happy. jenna: i can see it on a t-shirt. >> who really defines conservatives? who is the real deal and who is maybe not so conservat...

>> i was actually on the stage at the time. >> i heard you mumbling under your breath, so god. >> rick perry is a great guy. and actually, we became friends. i didn't know him before the race in 2012, but we became friends through that race, and i stood there, and i knew that was the end of everything. and it was just tragic. and salena said, there are a lot of reasons for it, but the bottom line is now he's -- again, contrast with kiersten, look, rick perry is not a washington insider. he's written books on federalism, how to get power out of washington, put it back to the states. oh so if yo...

Federalism. how to skip power out of washington, put it back to the states. so, i mean if you look at the people he's put forward, some have government experience, but the the government experience is how to get washington out of people's lives and give more freedom and opportunity back to people. it's very consistent with the trump message. >> a lot more to discuss. we'll come right back. donald trump was supposed to be holding a big news conference this week. his first and five months. why did he postpone it? see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is...

Under the plan he's put forward, they could have cheaper premiums, a plan more agreeable to them. the flip side, you look at people who obamacare was designed to help in the first place, people who couldn't afford their health insurance, people who maybe needed -- had medical issues that needed attention, for people that have expensive plans, that may not help them. >> we'll wait to see how exactly this all falls into place. steve, great to see you. thank you, sir. today we've been asking you our microsoft pulse question. it's about mitt romney being on trump's short list for secretary of st...

Servants. so what he's doing, the plan that he's put forward, is a dangerous one, it's offensive, and i don't think that it's practical for an america that is operating in a 21st century global economy. and my hope is that ultimately people will choose reasonableness and this sense of embracing our immigrant past instead of the divisiveness and the rhetoric that trump is offering. >> mr. secretary, that is an almost seamless answer that included a really lovely reminder about your own story. are you thinking about running for vice president? >> i am not. i'm thinking about doing a great job at...