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Shunting through. >> i'm glad you point out it's a military target. there's no equivalence here. if the ukrainians did do this, there's no equivalence. the russians are hitting civilian targets as well as military targets but civilian targets all over ukraine, hospitals, hotels, residence dn, theaters where people are hiding not to mention fuel depots as well. but do you think the russians would use this as a predicate for reprisals? >> well it's difficult to say what the russians will do as far as even more savagery. the fact that they invaded a sovereign nation, so not sure what they would d...

>> i think it's a little bit of both. i would say it's a bucket of cold water reality that's hit the administration as they watch putin's actions in the first 75 days. it's not just the trump administration reacting in its initial way, it's watching putin react. if you're in the white house, you're seeing syria, seeing the on going aggression in ukraine and you've got now a big difference, h.r. mcmaster in the white house, someone with a real global view, who understands the danger of russia. it's a cumulative effect. having said all that, i think if they could ease their way back to some kind...