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Which is you've seen these two interact quite a bit, president trump. help us understand the relationship between president trump and michael cohen. >> michael was one of the closest people i've seen with the president, highly devoted to him, a sense of loyalty that i thought, at least, until this week when i learned that he was taping him in person, a sense of loyalty that was, yes, he would take a bullet for him. he would do anything for him. >> and is it your sense that michael cohen basically just handles things? is that -- when you hear the term fixer, the president has a problem he handl...

Person, per se, who wakes up in the morning and goes to bed at night, thinking about, what are we going to do to prevent foreign interference in our elections? a lot of the buzz here in aspen from former top national security officials is, we need to have that. we need a coordinated effort, where everyone knows what other parts of the government are doing, so that we can address a threat that's really sizable. >> josh letterman, again, we welcome you to the nbc news team. glad you're with us. national political reporter at nbc news. thank you very much. >> thanks, peter. president trump invi...

Their own projects. >> reporter: shortly before mr. trump took his miss universe pageant to moscow in 2013, he told david letterman that he'd met vladimir putin. >> vladimir putin. have you ever met the guy? >> tough guy. i met him once. >> reporter: on the day of the pageant, he said this. >> i do have a relationship with him. >> reporter: afterward, this. >> i was in russia. i was in moscow recently and i spoke indirectly and directly with president putin who could not have been nicer. >> reporter: and in 2016, this. >> i never met putin. i don't know who putin is. he said one nice thing abo...

Knew you and that he spoke with you a lot. is that true? >> no. no i never met him. before -- before his presidency? before he ran? >> before he ran. >> no, i didn't know him. i had never even talked to him on the phone or otherwise. >> reporter: as for the future of the trump/putin relationship, former cia chief john brennan says that's to be determined. >> i do think the trump/putin relationship is going to remain awkward and it's probably going to become more awkward in the coming months as more things come out from bob mueller's investigation. donald trump has to recognize that he holds th...

>> unfortunately not. but we are not the ones who labeled you our enemies. you made a decision, at the level of parliament, at the level of congress and put russia on your list of enemies. why did you do that? are we the ones who imposed sanctions on the united states? the u.s. imposed sanctions on us. >> you know why. >> no, i don't know why. listen, let's sit down calmly, talk and figure things out. i believe that the current president wants to do that. but there are forces that won't let him do it. we are prepared to do so on any subject, including missile issues, including cyberspace, incl...