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Opportunity to press his points and state what he wanted. and that he outflanked trump. and at the time, before this hamburg meeting, cnn reported that in the briefing book that trump had before this meeting, that the pages on putin wer very, very few. and the reason for that, the white house gave, was they wanted to keep the points short and focused so that trump could be focused in this meeting. but tillerson said that he was unprepared, especially compared to putin in this point in time. >> yeah. i'm sure putin was prepared. the former kgb agent. michelle kosinski. thank you. >> pentagon me...

And boy, have these two ever. tillerson has been subtle. we don't see very much of him since he left office, but virtually every time he's asked questions about his relationship with trump or what went on behind the scenes, he is none too complimentary. this is a serious situation in which lawmakers on capitol hill have been trying to get to the bottom of what went on in these either private or semi-private meetings in particular with vladimir putin. why do they want to know this? because nobody -- there are very few people on this planet who know the details of those meetings. rex tillerson i...