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Founder of klaas kids foundation. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. jane, do we know yet if the boy's stepmother was hiding him in the basement or elsewhere all along? >> this is just a wild mystery, carol. we know from this court document that the boy told cops that the stepmother told him go downstairs to the basement, put him behind boxes, hid him there and said don't come out no matter what you hear. but she also didn't provide any food for him according to the boy. all this happened, the disappearance happened while the boy was doing this ver...

Pvc pipe where there is blood on it, that is child abuse. and i have known from cases i've covered in a child in a household is afraid of the dad, there is a good chance the wife is also living in fear. remember, she had two little kids and she was on probation for a prior weapons charge. they was in a tough situation. this, to me, sounds like a toxic soup. i know that the dad's adult daughter is defending him saying, he was a good dad, tough love, he put me on an exercise regime too. i think as his life progressed, maybe this regime and this tough love accelerated into something else that was...

Blood on it. and when they ultimately examined this boy in the hospital, he had scars all over his body, on his chest from the pvc pipe and on his buttocks. so maybe the stepmom says, look, you go downstairs, don't come out in matter what, i'll take care of this. the dad comes home and she says, you know what, he walked out. but then she gets herself out of one pickle, she finds herself in another pickle because then the dad reports the boy missing. and then you have the whole question of where was this boy because he wasn't there the whole time. we know cops searched that basement area severa...

>> the case is really troubling, because the father admitted to disciplining charlie with a pvc pipe. now you have the police chief, who found pvc piping with blood on it in the basement. the child's clothing with blood on it the father's attorney says that the blood on the clothing was from eczema. obviously, they're entitled to their day in court and they'll have july 10th but allegations within the petition are very, very troubling. and the most interesting thing from a legal perspective, at this point, is that the stepmother has her own attorney for the custody case. so i think that this i...

Reports that miss bothuell was aware he was in the basement and did not bring him any food. chartly reports sneaking up stairs to get food when everyone left home, end quote. also in the petition allegations of abuse, quote, saying this, he was observed to have a half circular scar on his chest at a result of his father driving a pvc pipe into his chest. i want to bring in a legal expert and attorney, ann-margaret corsa. asks for charlie and his siblings to be removed from the home. could we expect charges that also follow? >> i think everyone who has been following this case does expect charg...