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MSNBC Hardball With Chris Matthews September 30, 2019 23:14:00

To look at this and go if this is the best we ve got, am i going to be the next guy? am i going to be the next kevin mccarthy or jim jordan? i think the tell was how weak their defenses were. they re looking for a narrative but the fact is we know what the narrative is. it s not hearsay. the president has acknowledged it. we have this quasi transcript. a lot of what happened with ukraine took place in plain sight. yes, there was an attempted cover-up but it s one of the least effective cover-ups in history. so what they re left with is throw stuff up against the wall, try to attack and intimidate and discredit the whistle-blower but i think the weakness of the trump defense was really on display yesterday. let s, carol, start with the safety of the whistle-blower. it isn t exactly a mob situation but it s a little scary. this guy is under tremendous threat. he will be seen as archenemy to everybody on the hard right, trump right, because it is an ideology. how do you protect this per ....

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