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12th who knows. admiral, the question alisyn was getting to, what if it's just a meeting? what's wrong with all they actually achieve is to sit across the table face to face, given how reclusive the north korean regime has been, given how little has been known about this man? isn't that enough for some progress? >> you know, you bring up a really good point, john, because first of all, there isn't anything in my view there's nothing wrong with the two leaders talking. it's a huge concession kim to give in to a meeting with the president of the united states. we'll get something and that's dial...

Show, hugh hewitt. good morning. >> hi alisyn. >> we see real points of distinction. who do you think is getting it right in terms of winning the gop primary? who do you think has the hearts and minds of where voters are? >> well i think this will come up as a major issue on our december 15th debate when we are in las vegas. the last debate really before christmas and new year's and the bull season takes over. so i expect there will be some conversation about it between now and then. but i have to disagree with the premise of the question alisyn. i don't think it is that deep of a divide. almo...

It seems as though there was a lot more planning that went into this than we've previously known, guys. >> fred if you stick around with us that would be great because we also want to bring in cnn's aviation analyst miles o'brien. miles, is there any other way to interpret this? all of the facts fred just gave us about what the altitude monitor was showing, how else can you see it and this was a dry run? >> it was a dry run, there's no question alisyn. the captain leaves the cockpit and the co-pilot spends a lot of time playing with the selection knob on the autopilot for altitude. we want to ...