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Not provided with is fodder for an argument that the white house shouldn't argue for this immunity or this executive privilege over some of these questions. >> yes. they had to go through that exercise yesterday, i think, to establish the record that the white house was indeed going to invoke this idea of executive immunity, it's important to explain what that is. >> it's a difference between privilege and immunity? >> it is. it's a degree even greater than executive privilege. what they're saying there is a witness doesn't have to answer any single question at all. the mere fact that they wer...

If she doesn't, if she still stonewalls does that give nadler even more fire power in the court battle ahead? joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. the house judiciary chairman jerry natd ldler is saying the transcript, it's fodder for an argument that the white house shouldn't argue for this immunity or this executive privilege over some of these questions. >> yes. they had to go through that exercise. they established the record that the -- what they're saying is that a witness doesn't have to answer any single question at all. the mere fact that they we...

Hands off, congress, you can't ask this person anything. now hope hicks did answer questions that pre-dated her time in the white house, time on the campaign and the transition, but anything that occurred during the time in the white house, including as you said before, location of her desk. >> why would there be an objection to an answer like that? clearly that's something people would know. >> i think they were making the point, we are going to object to every single question. you have no right to ask her any question whatsoever. now the executive privilege is slightly different, which is on...

Before the administration and afterwards. she did finally answer questions about that conversation but only in general terms saying they reminisced about campaign rallies. so it seems that it is incumbent upon the democrats in congress if they want to get answers, substantive answers to these questions, to push it, to go to court, to get a ruling that these questions need to be answered. >> do you buy, tim, that jerry nadler house judiciary chair is making the argument, hope hicks' unwillingness to participate is all part of the democrats' plan and could lay out a legal road map to basically d...

Want to bring in some experts. three people who know the inner workings of the trump white house, our insiders, white house correspondent for pbs newshour, ashley parker pulitzer prize winning white house reporter for "the washington post," both msnbc political analysts, and jeff mason white house correspondent for reuters. tell us what you can about what is going on inside the west wing yesterday. i mean this morning i haven't even read through them yet but the president is certainly letting it rip on twitter. the question is, is he standing with the rest of the white house? >> well, there ar...