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To that 2%. >> in 2024? >> exactly. they have breathing room. donald trump should push allies to meet their commitments. of course, we should burden share. >> that's kind of where the question lands, i think, for a lot of folks. is the united states being taken advantage of by nato when you hear president trump say nato is as bad as 1/2ty. >> that's ridiculous. we are lucky that merkel is not expressing the areas she's frustrated with the united states and donald trump on. the united states carries 67% of nato. it's a question of, for example, not undercutting your own administration, not unde...

Circling the wagons around flynn and ultimately didn't let him go until it became public. >> is one obstruction of justice and one -- is there a legal distinction wherever that question lands? >> so, obstruction, of course, has to be obstructing an ongoing investigation, which is the russian investigation here. so, if it's just about, listen, this whole thing is ridiculous, i don't need to stop this investigation. that's not what this is about. but they're attack my guy. as a political matter i'm going to push back on that. that's that's not obstruction. >> carol lee, you reported the person a...