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So, when the world expects you to follow the rules, write your own. ♪ because no one gets an opinion on how you live your life, why you shave, or how you show your skin. my skin. my way. ♪ in the roger stone hearing today the prosecutor asks this question. "you cannot remember the names of all the people who had access to your cell phone four days ago?" answer, "correct." that was roger stone's testimony in court today. under oath. very little of which the judge said was believable. joining us now is ron klain, a former senior adviser to joe biden and president obama and

You don't want to disclose sources and methods, anything that would damage our national security. the second one of course, and this is typical in the prosecutorial realm, if there's somebody whose reputation would be damaged but who's not being charged with a crime, you want to protect that reputation. now, the point here of course is that we have an overwhelming public interest and we can deal with those two issues but we have an absolutely overwhelming public interest in further understanding the two elements of this investigation, understanding exactly what russia did. we have a public int...

Basically already said i'm putting you in jail. and there really can't be any question about whether that is fair at this point, which i think is something she is striving, you know, clearly in all of these court cases to show, that she is tough but fair. and she's giving everyone their fair shot. and stone is already blowing it like manafort did. >> and ron, last night's big news, we discovered the arrest of a lieutenant in the coast guard who had a hit list, literally a hit list of people he wanted to murder. and this is the way people get on that kind of hit list. this was -- everyone on th...

>> sure is. i mean, the question really is today how much little perjury, if we can call it that, are you allowed to get away with in the hearing to decide whether or not you should be in jail awaiting trial? and it seems like if he gets away with it he got away with a bunch of little perjuries today. >> well, for the moment. the thing is this is the start of his trial, and to the extent that prosecutors are able to bring that judge evidence that anything he said was untrue, that itself will be treated as a very serious matter even if it was about very stupid stuff. >> and rachel, bernie will ...

Contact him about that case. >> yeah. and whitaker was an extraordinary witness because he was both arrogant and incompetent at the same time. so it was quite something to witness and experience. but we are going through that transcript with a fine-toothed comb and we'll process additional information that is coming to us to determine whether he stood in front of the congress and the country and lied. there's every reason in the world to believe, knowing this president, that he was likely to have pushed the envelope with whitaker, and that's probably the reason that he placed him there in that...