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Election lie, then the conversation tries to turn to january 6th and a court hearing, and boom. he hangs up. what's your reaction to what you just heard? >> well, i've been on that show with steve and he's a very persistent questioner. donald trump doesn't want to answer those questions because he knows he's peddling a big lie. he's keeping it alive. it's having a devastating effect on our democracy. driving these terrible voter suppression and election hijack laws around the country and when you try to pin him down, he runs and hides. that is the token of a big liar. >> the january 6 committe...

Regimes fall, as our questioner has asked? of course, and then we should humbly say that building democracy and rule of law is not that easy. it takes time. culture, education, tradition, whatever. we have seen that in those post—soviet or post—yugoslav states, to take another part of europe — it is not easy, is not straightforward, it requires time, patience, but it is worth it. because the alternative is far worse. the alternative is to descend into chaos and dictatorship. building democracy, messy, difficult, back—and—forth — ukraine is not a perfect place, by the way, but it is...

Better than i do, is that striking? what do you think is behind that? why would the questioner even ask 500 questions as opposed to realizing after the first couple hundred this is not going anywhere, let me stop? >> well, all of us have an absolute right to invoke our fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination because we have this adversarial system where we don't have to be witnesses against ourself. important to invoke on a question-by-question to lock someone into their position so you can't simply say i will a take the fifth therefore i don't have to show up. you have to ask it on ...

By new autocrats. look at post—soviet history, we have had 30 years. and some countries like the baltics are notably stable and democratic and wonderful. you look at some of the central asian countries, we had dictators being replaced by other dictators. or we had, for example in kyrgyzstan, coups and revolutions, and revolutions and coups, and just instability and instability. so the fundamental question here is not about some of those other countries, it is about russia, because it sets the tone across the region. when putin goes, i don't know when this will happen, somebody else will come...

Know the questioner was peter ducey of fox. >> peter ducey of fox. fox, which purposefully airs briefings up until peter ducey's question. so that the fox audience can see ducey sparring with jen psaki. she had the important answer that i hope the fox audience heard, that, okay, not the pandemic, it is mass death of the unvaccinated. is that what they want biden to say. almost in real trouble is unvaccinated. i think peter ducey should listen to his father, steve ducey, who said last week, he said, i talked to a doctor, he said, the vaccines are like a kevlar vest. it won't stop you from getti...