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And he didn't say anything that would incriminate the president but the truth of the matter is none of us, everybody at this table and president trump, none of us has any idea. >> yeah. that's what they're hoping. they could have learned a lot of things they would not have learned if they did not sit down with him for 30 hours, an incredibly long period of time for the white house counsel to sit down with him saying we're not worried about what he said, sure that he was there as a good witness for the president. that's what they're saying but rudy giuliani is saying that he only has secondhand...

So, i failed. the cover-up would go on. nixon would, of course, fire my pro superiors and myself as he tried to accomplish the impossible which was to get through what he'd done. >> mcgahn was not on the campaign and presumably mueller is seeking information not about russia but about potential obstruction of justice charges and he might be in a position to know a lot being the white house counsel. >> i think he is in a position. that's -- when i responded to trump's tweet, i said that he clearly didn't understand what was going on. that this is an invaluable witness. he's a realtime witness. ...

He was preeffortively invoking executive privilege for the firing of james comey. i won't talk about it and let mcgahn go freely? that's mind boggling. >> perry, last june 2017, yeah, 2017, when "the new york times" reported that mcgahn received an order to fire mueller and he suggested he would quit before that. >> particularly that moment, talking about obstruction of justice initially, this firing of comey has a lot to do potentially with what happened afterward and he's an important witness. we should emphasize we have no idea what he said. he could have been favor to believe the president...

Several incidents mueller is examining including trump's attempt to fire the special counsel last summer. trump has often blurred the line on what mcgahn's role is. believing at times that he's representing him when really he's representing the presidency. asked today if the meetings were a mistake, mcgahn staying silent. >> mr. mcgahn, was it a speak to have you speak without limits to special counsel muler? >> reporter: the president's agitation growing as the legal team scrambles to figure out what he said. rudy giuliani admitting he's relying on the former attorney john dowd told him. >> i...

House counsel john dean in 1973 after initially participating in the watergate scandal, the cooperation of investigators ultimately helped to expose it. four decades later, the man that has the former dean job white house counsel don mcgahn cooperated and in a report he said he was determined to avoid the fate of john dean who pleaded guilty. and the watergate scandal. to this, president trump took to twitter denied that mcgahn was a john dean-type of rat. your reaction to president trump insisting that mcgahn was not a rat like you were. >> i'm not surprised. he thrives on insulting people. t...