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>> look, i didn't expect anything different. we listened to all this huffing and puffing about how we're going to work on executive compensation, that it's too much. i am one that thinks a person should make as much as they can get, as long as they negotiate and fair. the problem is a lot of this is taxpayers dollars. but guess what? the banks and politicians are right neck deep together and this is where you end up with these type of numbers. nothing we can do about it. no accountability and this is how we get here. >> adam, i guess you agree with all of this, huh? >> the only person who is m...

Sideswiped somewhat. >> let me make a small effort here to try to dial back the drama here because we should have -- >> what are you talking about? >> we should explain to people what this is about. obviously legislation sometimes has unintended consequences. the unintended consequence here is that the legislation was meant to help, i think someone had said, people who didn't have health insurance. well, that creates a disincentive for companies to continue to give the insurance in certain case. that's what the union is upset by. it doesn't shock me that the unions are going to try to be a -- ...

Exemptions. if they continue that along these lines with the unions, every tom, dick and harry and myself can ask the question, why not me? you're coming out with these laws, again, and ben said it correctly. it's absolutely obscene that they would do this. >> let me try to make it clear for you. >> i don't think anybody -- any of us knows what's going to come out on the other side of this because the numbers are going to be crazy. >> go ahead, adam. take another shot. >> my good friends are precontinueding like this is a pta meeting and that there was a provision for a bake sale next thursday...

The right thing to do. it's not about punishing an executive here and an executive there. >> i love adam, but you and journalists like you sit around, opine about executive compensation, how these guys are paying too much, and here we have a point not that just getting paid too much, these are companies that were owned in large part by the federal government and they still got these big pay packages. that's an outrage! >> you made the cake! >> you probably a-- >> (talking over each other). >> wait one secretary. we're running out of time. first of all, were you shocked that you and adam were o...

Take off as it is. >> well, adam, ironically, you have been the most capitalistic person. does it extend this far? >> no. no problem with all the fees. that's just the price of flying. but this is a really stupid rule. you don't want to pressure the airlines into getting them up in bad weather or mechanical problem. the delays sometimes, oftentimes are for those reasons. >> dagen what, if this comes to america? >> very good point. >> we will not do that. we already have rules in place. you can't leave passengers stranded on the tarmac more than three hours, which by the way, has worked. god fo...