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A standing eight count here for you. ron? >> yeah. got beat on two fronts. one he's not libertarian enough, forcing this government program on people, secondly he's cronyism. he even understated it. he got more than $5,000 from that company and his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for that company. so he was hurt two different ways and got slammed. >> very quick. >> chuck, it was very similar to the politics of pile on. recall the fall of '07 when hillary clinton came under fire on those drivers licenses, the entire sort of world seemed coming after her at that moment, similar last night w...

Security. here's their back and forth. ron, i'll have you talk on the other side. >> the question is, do you still believe that social security should be ended as a federal program as you did six months ago when your book came out and return to the states or do you want to retreat from that. >> i think we ought to have a conversation -- >> we're having that right now. we're running for president. >> i'll finish this conversation. >> rather than trying to scare seniors like you're doing and other people, it's time to have a legitimate conversation in this country. >> the term ponzi scheme is wh...