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Third party, you know, a moderator and arbiter. and this is and at the much of the authoritarian playbook. trump has invested a huge amount of time in trading himself to be the man above all other man, and the man who is not only lawless, who doesn't care about the rule of law, but he bends the law to suit himself. and so being on the debate stage, just like all the other people and subject their questioning is bad for his brand. that's also why putin, when he ran for office the very first time, in 1999, 2000, he refused to debate. viktor orban in victory -- in hungary refuses to debate. these...

Of mock exercise in democracy. you have people onstage who are considered as equals, and they are banned by rules that all of the must follow, and there is a third party, you know, a moderator and arbiter. and this is and at the much of the authoritarian playbook. trump has invested a huge amount of time in trading himself to be the man above all other man, and the man who is not only lawless, who doesn't care about the rule of law, but he bends the law to suit himself. and so being on the debate stage, just like all the other people and subject their questioning is bad for his brand. that's a...