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What the negotiations on the reconciliation bill look like. >> to be clear, you're always allowed to make news here. we appreciate you coming on. secr secretary jennifer granholm, thank you. >> the goldfish is the happiest animal because it has a ten-second memory, right? >> absolutely. absolutely. look, i'm all about belief. when you coach ted lasso, afc richmond was relegated. so it doesn't always work the way you want it to. >> voters might have a longer memory than ten seconds. that's what some of the senators are banking on. let's talk about this more now with our chief political analys...

>> thank you, john. before we go, the white house says that by tonight there will either be a dramatic soaring -- well, let me back up here for a second. all right. they say -- they're talking about the infrastructure deal, whether minority there will be a deal or a vote in congress on the bipartisan infrastructure plan and they say by tonight there will either be an aaron sorkin narrative or laugh riot joke. >> well, this is why we all came to washington. it is like an episode of a tv show. >> which tv show? >> maybe the west wing if something good happens, maybe veep if not. i'm not sure. ...

Through. i will mark my words, the infrastructure bill will be passed, and a version of the reconciliation bill will be as well. >> not some major cataclysm if it doesn't happen today. sounds like as far as you're concerned there is some whiiggl room on the timing here. >> for sure there is. there is a sense of urgency because, of course, the -- we want to be able to address these issues for the middle class, for the infrastructure of our nation, for the climate, for the planet. if it happens today, or if it happens in a couple of weeks, you know, i like to quote ted lasso, you know, we all ha...