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And i think what mike morel told you in the intelligence committee investigation you would hear from anyone in the government at a high level who has to deploy americans around the world. we see that with the defense department. we see breaches of security on our military bases. we know that everybody is struggling to get it right. and as i have said the vast majority of cases our security professionals do. and then unfortunately there are instances where they do not. that's why we have after action reports and the accountability review board to look at what happened and try to learn from it. ...

There was obviously a physical perimeter barrier, a wall, and then there was a robust american security presence inside the compound. i don't -- i don't think five ds agents not fully equipped or armed for what they were facing you could call a robust american security presence. would you have used the word "robust"? >> i would certainly have said that the security on that night was reliant on a militia that did not perform as expected -- >> i'm not talking about the militia on the outside. i'm talking about robust american presence on the inside. >> i -- it was considered robust in the sense ...

And again, i was following it, i was watching it, i was trying to make a very well reasoned analysis but i was also listening to people both on the ground and with a lot of experience who had served in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, other places like that, and there was no recommendation. >> secretary clinton, what i'm trying to make a distinction between is the decisions that you made with respect to benghazi and decisions that your staff made with respect to benghazi. but i'm running out of time. i want to get back to $20 million that we talked about. on numerous occasions, the finger's...