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They weren't looking for vengeance. >> me, on the other hand, i was just ticked. i was like this is insane. and everybody needs to find this person. >> oh, they were certainly trying. even at that very moment. >> we had about 10 to 12 undercover officers in and about the memorial service looking for anybody that would strike us as odd. >> but no one stood out. >> hang in there, caleb. hang in there. >> a month after the murder, the famous roundup filled the streets as usual. and then they emptied again. and as the autumn wind turned raw, detective jackson's investigation chased down every lead...

Ukraine. >> a straight shooter and an honest broker, i assume this man is similar but i can't say anything personally about him. >> and you don't have any information about the email that went to staff requesting this briefing? >> jeopardize by a political call and interference to the ukrainian president by our president, that this is very questionable and is an abuse of his power. and that's what we need to be looking at and not going down rabbit trails. this whole thing of looking what they're looking for and barr is over in europe looking for is the same thing on an international basis as i...

The state department bouncing back and forth just like donald trump. john heilemann, i want to bring you in here for a minute. one thing we didn't talk about last hour was the scope of this investigation. bh what's the scope going to look like, and do democrats go down what i would consider to be rabbit trails going back into some of the details dredged up by the mueller report or things that happened after the mueller report, or do they just stay focused on the facts before them? >> right, i think those are both -- that's a huge question to me, joe, and as of yesterday, there were a lot of qu...

Public discourse in general. >> neil: this might just be me making the leap but much has been said about russian delusion. wouldn't it be a kick or an odd twist on what the original goal was of the investigation, that ended up having nothing to do with russia, nothing to do with collusion and everything to do with how the president conducted business when he was running a private company? >> well let me say this, what is the hope point of all this? is it just you try to find something somewhere that you think you can hang a peg on? if there was a special prosecution needed and a prosecutor nee...

F.b.i. >> it is. amazingly the law is such that it doesn't have to be an important lie. it doesn't have to be a lie that hurts the investigation or misleads the f.b.i. for a minute. they can charge you with a federal felony if you lie about something and the f.b.i. has you on tape and can prove it instantly. that's -- >> shannon: finish your answer there. >> it's a scary power. the f.b.i. has the power to get you charged with a federal felony for lying when they question you. they have the power to decide who they will question and put in that danger. >> shannon: there is public perception iss...