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Have come out if michael brown hadn't been shot to death? >> i don't think so. i think this country has a race problem. the reports show that again, poor black and brown people in this country are not given accountability measures against the system or the police. >> what does accountability mean to you? >> it means that we are not a case study in ferguson. that you don't sweep this under the rug. chief jackson, they need to be fired. if they are using their police officers as a collection agency then they are violating the constitution said by attorney general holder, then either that's a rac...

Not do very little very little about making people accountable that have engaged in these practices and he really did not address it. i do not know how firing one cop, possibly three, clearly who were blatantly wrong with the e-mails deals with the systemic issues that you and i have been discussing in the report. >> this was a missed opportunity by mayor knowles. we should not be surprised that there is a race problem in his city. so the missed opportunity is that you have a federal report from the department of justice that says your town your police department is rife with people who are tr...

Peace. protests. >> these are not organized peaceful protests. >> yes they are the aclu is a coalition of organizations national. >> removed from the situation. >> hold on. let me ask you this nomiki. is it okay to yell what do we want dead cops? when dewe want it now. >> that's extremist situation. >> no it's not. jesse jackson and al sharpton speaking out against it. >> jesse jackson and al sharpton don't get along that's very inoperable argument to make. >> you don't have the president speaking out against those kind of comments. have you silence from the president right now who has sat the...

There was an unequivocal condemnation, finally. no talk about social injustice, but there is a social injustice problem, not here in new york, but in other police departments. and that's what should be addressed. and the race problem should be addressed, but not -- it's not an nypd problem. >> right, i think -- >> the other counter point i want to make, police across this country have a terrible, terrible job. i don't want it, you don't want it. >> that's right. >> and our friends don't want it. many of these communities are small communities. we had three innocent people, or maybe they weren'...

Don't see a problem. >> until i saw one. >> until you saw one. it really shows that this country has its underlying division that is not going to be easily dealt with i think in the coming future with just a few policy changes or indictments. >> be easier to put 57% of people think there's a race problem. the other 43% have no idea what they're talking about. >> a lot of that's class, some go to private school. others don't. thank you, as always. michelle bernard and jonathan allen. when we return, let me finish with what we're just talking about, the way white people and black people think ab...