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Problem that's going to require a national solution. >> so dana, i believe it was yesterday, the president said with regard to race, he said there's deep rooted racism in america, today touched by a national problem. is he helping or hurting the cause? >> i think what he's going to do is going to make it his cause. effort you read the "new york times" today, there's an article titled unrest and racism forming -- the president is being pushed by some of his advisors to make this next two years to really be about fixing what they see as a race problem. maybe that was a good goal, i don't know ho...

Militarization of police here and body cameras. shouldn't we have a bigger discussion about race relations in this country, potentially, or, or, the high unemployment in the minority ranks across this country? i mean, doesn't that play into all of this? >> larry, you first. instead we celebrate the protesters who block traffic and keep people from getting to their jobs. that's probably increasing unemployment because those people can't get to work. i agree with you. this is a conversation that needs to be had. the attorney general thinks that we're all cowards when it comes to race. we're not ...

Communities are much more believe that we have a still race problem in the country, and the whites living in the rural or the whiter communities they don't see the race issue, do you believe that is part of the divide that maybe rural whites don't see this issue the way that folks that live in urban america? >> perhaps. but you look at ferg sop specifically, and this is an area where the governmental structures have not caught up to the demographic change in the last decade, and that is what you do to take care of by organize ing organizing in the voting, and what i object to is that you can d...

It would imply that some people have a race problem. she did eventually acknowledge that. >> i think they do but i'm not running for anything. i think they do. there is a pattern in this country. it's geographic and you can find where the worse trouble comes from. go ahead, michael. >> chris, you don't know and you cannot assume every democrat in the south is sitting there thanking heaven that barack obama is in the white house. look, the reality is joan is right. there are people in this country who still have a narrow view of race. that's something that for hillary clinton as well as for bar...

On whether some of the opposition, not all of it, but the strident opposition to the president is motivated by race. eventually she said, yes. there is prejudice about race and gender and sexual orientation. i thought she was a little bit too evasive. i think it's possible -- >> i think the president -- let me get back. i think the president himself doesn't like to make that charge. my experience is political. you accuse a person of having a race problem, you agitate that person. >> absolutely, chris. >> it's part of our history to have some. if you have some you go crazy when somebody accuses...