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And the photo stayed up on instagram. now, i don't know why or what happened or any of that, but that's kind of troubling to me. i mean, the fact that here's this photograph that should be obviously offensive to anybody and it's still up on instagram? it didn't come down until we started asking questions. >> yeah. listen, it's interesting. we keep saying -- i hear people say all the time, well, all of this stuff is going to change. all this race stuff is going to change with the youth and then you see the young people doing things like this and the number of hate crimes growing. jerry mitchell...

Estimation? >> well, i mean, they've handled it the way they've handled it. obviously suspending the students you would say that's a step toward, you know, punishing what we see in the photo. and then -- but, you know, there is also some troublesome aspects to this, and not to cast blame, but ole miss got this complaint back in march. and the photo stayed up on instagram. now, i don't know why or what happened or any of that, but that's kind of troubling to me. i mean, the fact that here's this photograph that should be obviously offensive to anybody and it's still up on instagram? it didn't c...

Arc of that last week where it almost looked like the white house was through with this when the president went to the rally, and then you had that send her back chant at the rally. the president initially distanced himself and was critical of the lawmakers again, and it seems like his position now is somewhere close toing a n -- agnostics on that chant. >> i think it will be the focus for a long time given it might be in the campaign in terms of ideology. we're going to focus on it with our discussion. joining me now jane newton small and charlie savage, msnbc contributor. big welcome to you ...

Assumption that african-americans or minorities can experience the histories that they've experienced and come out as if we have this moral gene and can just love and sing kumbaya and all this other stuff. i grew up with a father who has a deep seeded skepticism of the moral capacity of white folks and has everything to do with his experience. it's not articulated but it's part of how he was socialized, it's part of what i was raised in. it's a common sense, a racial common sense that's reflective of the country and actually allows us to survive, helps us survive. in those moments when it bubb...

Haven't been able to give the knicks a win and he has. it is not a racial thing. we are not rooting for lin because he is -- rewith not rooting for him because he is not black. we are rooting for him because he is an underdog, a chinese player and there are not many. he comes in and kicks butt. he is sinking jump shots and kicking butt. let him have his day. >> when you said chinese you looked both i whats like, she chinese, like you are not on television. >> by the way, -- his parents are not from here. >> jedediah, isn't he right though what terry just said. what separates lin from everybody...